Best place to get a SC2 unit in Canada

Oh, crap, that’s the problem with Micro Center, even for US folks, not the best pick for reseller.
I could be wrong, but when it was just announced and in stock there was shipping option.

Ended up ordering SC2 sport , cube controls formula pro, simlab front mount and rail kit from DM. Expensive as hell but hopefully my last wheelbase purchase ever.

Cool!!
Santa comes early this year!:wink:

The manufacturer is responsible for the MRSP but the dealer is responsible for the price in its shop. Easy to put the blame on the manufacturer.

The more you support business who charge too much, the more they will do.

For me, being FAIR is more important than to be LOCAL.

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My thoughts exactly, what was the problem getting it from Tomo?
I got mine from local US dealerr, DSD, at least guy didn’t charge more than SRB, but all I got is much longer wait, and as he is not dealer anymore, that I would have to deal directly with GD in case of the problems.

In regards to resellers price take into consideration that any reseller that is not in Europe and paying with Euro is at a disadvantage. They have to play the exchange rate game and banks charge a few % just for making the money exchange.

The further the reseller is from Europe the higher the transportation costs.

So try not to beat up the local reseller too much for risking their $$ to bring SC2 closer to home.
This is not a high margin product. And most resellers are small one or two person shops.

Just a thought.:thinking:

Sure…I understand your thought…But they are wrong (not picking at you Joe!)

We don’t speak about a few % in Canada….

The situation in Canada is just ridiculous! This is not only for the Simucube 2 Pro… :crazy_face:

For many items on Amazon.ca, we just pay much more than the exact same item on Amazon.com. 20% or more sometimes! Outside Amazon, for my bike products for example, I would pay 20% to 25% more in Canada compared to the US. And 50% to 100% more than the MRSP in Europe (Germany etc…). This is also why many Canadian go shopping to the US etc…

If you are in Europe, you may know the similar Situation in Switzerland a few years ago. All products were 20% to 50% more expensive than in France. Germany, Austria and Italy (border countries)…Why? There were usually an importer who was added into the value chain and charged 30% or more. Or the local distributor charged just much more. Once many people in Switzerland started to make their shoppings across the border the prices started to be more acceptable and closer than in Germany etc…

Hence the power of the customers/ consumers to reject such business practices. :innocent:

In my example for the SC2 Pro in Canada:

. From SRB/ Tomo: 1200 EUR (=CAD 1735) (and he is already making some profit).
.Simulation1.ca (large reseller of sim products here): SC2 listed at CAD 2800 (=1935 EUR). Now with 18% discount, still CAD 2300 (=1600 EUR)
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Difference: +400 Eur (+565 CAD). So this is approx. +35% more expensive (even with the discounted price)

“Exchange rate game”:
The bank will usually only charge 1% for transaction fees (and there is a maximum usually).
That 1% doesn’t explain a price increase of almost 35%…

“Transportation cost”:
The same cost applies for the consumer when he/she is importing the product from Europe.
And we have to pay again from the reseller to our house (Canada is a large country…).
Even if you fold the transportation cost in the new pricing, the warehouse pricing etc…it just doesn’t make 35% or 50%, what we usually see in Canada (vs. USA, Europe etc…)

“Risking their $$ to bring SC2 closer to home”:
They invest money to get more money, out of us the consumers. I would expect some added value in order for me to give them my money…
And in the case of the SC2, it is not closer. I become it faster from Europe than from a reseller in Canada (Canada is the 2nd largest country in the world).

As I stated before, IMHO consumers should value the seller/ reseller who do a fair business and not the seller/ reseller who happens to be „local“.

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Just sharing my experience from building and selling OSW.
And wheels and accessories over the last years.
If I sold for the same price as the EU guys I made almost nothing.

I have no idea about the Candian resellers or customs etc.

double post :roll_eyes:

Depending on the product I was probably about 25% more expensive than EU.

The added value my customers had from me is they could pick up the phone and call me.

I could easily connect remote by PC and have them on the phone while doing setup.

I had already paid all import shipping and custom fees.

If my customer had a Warranty issue it could be handled state side.

The big advantage the EU guys have is the cost stays constant. And there shipping costs are much less.

A prime example of how USA importers are worse off than EU resellers is I bought Ascher wheels to stock on my website. 45 days later I get a Bill from FedEx for the 25% China tax.
I sold the wheels at 10% above my original cost. After I had to pay the China Tax I ultimately lost 15%.
I have not heard of any private buyers having to pay the China tax.

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If I was a USA or Canada customer I would buy SC2 from Tomo at Simracingbay unless I could walk into a Microcenter and pick one up.

“China Tax” on product made in Europe doesn’t sound right.

Some retailers in Europe don’t add any VAT in the prices, but add it when checking out and the destination country is known. So depending on the country it can be 15-25% on top of the listed price. Plus shipping.

In Switzerland the price is about 16CHF base fee + 3% of total price + 7.7% VAT. For some products it’s cheaper to buy from EU to Switzerland.

The somehow denigratory word “China Tax” became very popular as from 2016 in the USA… :crazy_face:
Same for the word “China virus” instead of Covid.

Are Asher wheels made in China?

There are many reasons why things are more expensive in Canada. Have you seen real estate prices and homes rising in prices much faster than the wages are? I live in Quebec where the cost of living is lower but the wages are lower too. I don’t want this thread to become an economics class. I think canadian retailers are getting good enough business so that they don’t need to lower the price further.

Peasants like us end up buying from europe. I’m going to put in all here:
Europe : SC2 Sport 1020 euro, 89 euro shipping, 14% in import taxes, duties and tariffs. converted to CAD that totals
1841$CAD at the door

Local retailer SC2 Sport 1899$CAD, ASR, provides free shipping anywhere in Canada plus the goods and services tax (GST), which is calculated at a rate of 5% on the selling price; and the Québec sales tax (QST), which is calculated at a rate of 9.975% on the selling price excluding the GST.

total 2183$CAD at the door.

I saved 342$CAD buying from europe, on the wheelbase alone, i’m excluding the wheel and accessories.

@Joe what china tax are you refering to? this is strictly EU to NA or the other way around. Unless you’re selling Simagic? :smiley:

Yes as long as they have customers paying these prices, they continue and increase the prices…

IMHO you did the right choice:
Paying an extra CAD$342 would mean paying almost +20%!

And this is compared to the lowest pricing you could find here.
If you look at the largest official Simucube reseller in Canada:

Simucube 2 Sport:


CAD$ 2399, now on sale for CAD$ 1999
PLUS shipping
PLUS Paypal processing fees (+4%)

Ascher products are now made in China.

Where were they made before? In Germany?

It is not derogatory. It is the truth.
Yes Ascher wheels are now made in China.
Ascher must declare point if origin as China this the 25% tax is applied by Customs.

Yes they were previously made in Germany.
And it is not a bad thing that they are now made in China from the standpoint of quality. The quality is very good.

Sorry it is derogatory… :face_vomiting:

Look at the legislation for importing goods, there is nothing such as a “China Tax” in the official books. There are taxes, duties, customs etc…depending in the origin of the good and type of good etc…

The wording “China tax” is used like the wording “China virus” by some people.
This is not the official word.