Just say your account was hacked, . . . by Russians, and be with it.
Works for politicians. 
Meant as a joke, btw if itâs not obvious.
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Good points.
It all depends whatâs in the service.
If it means core filter development is halted for non-service users, then it would not be fair for quite some years from now for any current user, since we were given no warning on purchase that we would soon be left cold.
If itâs a new service, fully opt-in, offering some new onlinefunctionality, NOT limiting access to new filter developments, then by all means put it in place tomorrow and ask a subscription fee. No harm done, it was never expected.
Just donât force some paid service on to us and leave us cold if we now donât join, please.
To me it makes sense if you unify it all, although keeping the local cache in place. Unifying the models could be choice on purchase like:
- Cheaper base price + pay for subscription monthly.
- Expensive base price + free subscription(all current users) for at least some good number of years that would still make it a better deal than not paying high $ up front. So maybe the diff in base price times used for subscription from the time this is going paid. This at a discount of maybe 50%(bc of the higher initial down payment for the base unit).
I only provided examples for clarity. Not for suggesting them in any way.
This discussion is great. I can also offer another type of situation that MAY arise at some point in the future. External factors might come to play as well, and those might affect many.
Suppose that in X years from now, Microsoft decides to remove DirectInput API from Windows due to it being old, unmaintained and deprecated. This would be forced upon by the Windows 10 âWindows as a serviceâ model via automatic update that canât be cancelled.
X might be 5, 7, or 10 years.
What should we do then? What should others do? This would deprecate pretty much all 3rd-party USB buttonboxes/wheels etc.
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While i dont see that happening only because it would effect too many products its certainly possible. Sony had no problems doing that with wheels and the last consoles.
I was trying to explain some point of a discussion that Tommi asked.
No need to go further down these rabbit holes, I agree.
Moving also away from the complete Fanatec ecosystem. Just selled all my Fanatecstuff in the last few days, besides the DD2 base, wich hopefully go away till the end of the comming week.
To me there are way too much problems lying there. It starts with the terrible quickrelease system. The golden screw is everytime comming loose, since i have motion. Then their âbig big annoncementsâ everytime. The last was the announcement for their podium wheel line, where they have announced, that so many buttonboxes and complete wheels are comming but since the Porsche GT3 Wheel, i saw nothing, just a few naked rims. This was nearly a year ago.
Then as mentioned, their always beta drivers. Got sick of it.
Had also to return my DD2 base, because the emergency/powerbutton was defective and they have me sended two wheelbases with the same issue. The fourth was ok then. You also have to make a video of every issue you have with the hardware, before contacting the support.
Then the prices. When you want to build a customwheel (cause Fanatec don`t deliver, after making big announcements) you have to buy a 200⏠quickrelease for it. Not with me anymore.
Gonna move to the SC2 Pro after the DD2 is selled, and think i gonna not regret it.
Over on the SC2 side, there are so many options of wheel rims, buttonplates, quickreleases and other stuff for it available everywhere, wich makes the Simucube far more superior over the Fanatec bases, i think. The big plus with that is, you are not binded to one company anymore, as i said there are so many resellers wich also developing things for the Simucube. This is gonna open up a whole new world of hardware to me.
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I had a similar experience with a DD1 and the same thoughts about the Fanatec ecosystem.
For over a year now I own a SC2 pro.
Best decision, far superior to the DD1.
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(this is a repost of a post I just did to another thread)
My apologies reg. low force performance at high vs low force setting in TrueDrive.
As some of you know I have posted my findings that it felt to me as if running the SC2 at high force provided a clear benefit at low forces vs running it at low force & using higher gain in the sims.
I have now spent the afternoon trying to reproduce directly, through using DirectInput & sending FFB signal at 200-600hz at various force levels in TrueDrive and in the FFB signal.
The conclusion from this test is that I have been absolutely, completely unable to reproduce this issue going this somewhat more scientifically correct route. Exactly as some other people have told me they did not believe this to be the case. It seems clear they have been right & I have been wrong.
I am not sure what could have caused this difference in some sims when changing forces around & I will try and find the exact root reason of that some other day.
Again, truly sorry about this and for wasting anybodyâs time on it.
I will correct my other posts over the next few days to reflect this.
That Failatec QR is the worst thing ever produce by themâŚ
And the gold finishâŚ
Failatec Ingeneer: Ok, that is our QR sollution, its like a premium Thrustmaster QR.
Failatec smart guy: But⌠It is a shitty QR!
Failatec sales guy: mmmm Paint It Gold!!!
I have read many of your feedbacks, and refrained from replying, as it seemed you had your own unique requirements wrt ffb.
Now I can say to you this: I have owned and exhaustively tested all main players in the DD wheel marketâs products, most notably, 2x Bodnar SS2 54G, 1x Accuforce, 1x Fanatec Podium DD2, 1x SC2 Pro, 1x SC2 Ultimate, many, many different OSWâs, from 20-38NM.
The best wheel on the market today, that can emulate EVERYTHING the others can do, and talking here about useable ffb, not crazy noise, is the SC2 Ultimate, followed closely by the SC2 Pro/Sport. If you do decide to sell your SC2 wheel, doesnât make any difference to me, but having owned and tested all, you will not find better.
The biggest issue here is not the SC2 wheels, because they are by far the best on the market at this point in time, but rather shortcomings in the ffb delivered by the games, and indeed, limitations in the MS Direct Input itself.
Anyway, whatever you decide, you have many choices, you currently own the best, but of course, feel free to explore, and in the process, waste few thousands of $$âs
Cheers,
Beano
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Hi Beano,
I have no reason to believe otherwise from a HW perspective. I made a wrong conclusion from a too shallow experience in regards to low force performance which was the only(and wrongly concluded) indication I have had of a weakness.
This not being the case has removed one of the biggest reasons for me to move away.
I donât agree on many SW and policy priorities of Graniteâs as of recent, but will give it more time now to see if filter work might pick up some steam.
Agree 100% the biggest shortcoming holding DDâs back lies in the sims ffb code. Looking forward to that changing over the next several years as well. Wishfully faster!
I really donât have much time at hand and donât want to waste neither $ nor time moving away if possible in any way.
Btw not having a good gamma/lfb filter at my disposal for iceracing is now making me spend some time adding such to irffb privately. I do not know if the gamma filter available to Ultimate users would have worked as I need it to, still would have preferred not to have to do this in case it would.
Best,
-Karsten
Hi Beano,
As somebody contemplating a new DD, moving from a G29 - what are the âreal worldâ differences between the SC2 Pro & Sport?
Thanks,
A few days in with my SC2 Pro over the Podium DD1.
I have to say my very first reaction in game was⌠holy crap this is smooth - literally just sat in the pits moving the wheel it was very noticeable. Now Iâve done a few hours with it in iRacing I find it much harder to compare now im used to it⌠I think the differences are there for sure but very slight imo. you would have to have both systems setup and use them side by side to make a really good judgement call.
Honestly just as far as FFB goes I think anyone would be happy with both systems - HOWEVER⌠ive had issues with the podium in the past (as allot of guys have)⌠and I live ina remote location so RMA is not an option⌠or a VERY expensive last resort option. so therefore the switch to SC2 was certainly worth it for me and the main reason I switched.
There are several features on the podium I really miss though im not gonna lie, just because I obviously became accustomed to them more than I realised -
1 - Auto profile switching/game detection - This is now my BIGGEST want⌠it doesnât look like you can do this SC2?
2 - Wheel rim rumble feature⌠I really got used to rumble on red line for some reason⌠and actually miss this⌠after a few hours it was no issue obviously⌠Almost like a bad habit⌠probably best I no longer have it! lol
3 - Actually the little screen just for live Nm readouts⌠it make making profile easier as I would aim for a certain max torque on a lap - For example I liked to peak at 12-15nm through Eau Rouge⌠so the live data was nice - If there a way in truedrive to see the max Nm reached in a session at least?
4 - Dynamic speed sensitive damper filter- This is actually really good at removing oscillations - allowing you to have less damping in low speed.
On the SC 2 side though:
1 - The build quality is on an entirely new level compared to Fanatec - I would argue that the podium looks allot flashier on the rig and SC2 is super simple in comparison. But build quality cant be denied.
2 - Completely love the Ascher racing wheel f28 rim and wireless - unbelievable build quality, and the perfect layout for VR use - I never made use of any of the inside buttons, LEDâs or screen on the fanatec v2 - and the fantec felt flimsy in comparison - I have a Cube GT Pro also coming which I expect the same - No stupid $200 hub just to use a custom wheel here
3 - Quick release system is awesome⌠super simple but solid as a rock - clear improvement - No idea why people would replace the stock SC2 quick release. Total waste of money for no real improvement.
4 - True drive software although far more simple and less features⌠at least it doesnât bloody crash on you randomly!
5 - No second driver install package - With Fanatec that was a nightmare and SUPER buggy⌠and firmware flash was Super easy with SC2 - fanatec need to really sort their shit out here - half the firmware updates they push have a chance of bricking something.
6 - So far⌠everything JUST works⌠people say this is a plus on the fanatec side, but was not my experience⌠at start of every session with fanatec I would often have to switch usb ports or reboot the software to get everything detected and working. so far on SC2⌠simply turn it on and load iracing, and it all works 100%.
Still loads more testing and play to do until I say im fully upto speed. but for now im very glad I switched. just knowing I have a top class base for a long time to come and never have to worry about it suddenly flaking out on me is enough.
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I replaced it with a HRS xeroplay qr, I would never go back to standard sc2 qr.
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Certainly the HRS xeroplay looks fantastic⌠but the SC2 stock is solid as you can get also (literally zero play)⌠all your getting rid of is the pin⌠I guess its upto you if thats worth 200euro to do? I would rather spend cash on other things right now
If it was spending 200 euro to swap the Fanatec Podium QR to the HRS Zero play I would totally understand⌠and I would be doing it myself for sure - as it actually has a performance benefit
I think ill stick with the SC2 mount tbh. I will only switch between two rims anyway.
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I replaced it (well, technically added to it because I wanted a longer shaft) with a Q1R and for me, Iâm really glad I did, The SC2 QR pin for me was a big pain to remove, and the wheel would often need to be fiddled with to get it to actually deslot. Itâs good in a way for that, because it means you do NOT have to worry about the wheel coming loose, but I have some weird arthritis problem in my fingers that made it a lot of trouble. With the Q1R, I can switch between my GT3 and Rally wheels with nearly zero effort, and they still stay firmly attached. Plus I was able to get a longer wheel shaft with that which helped a little bit with placement of things on my rig, but that was secondary and could have been solved in other ways.
The SC2 QR is very good, but for me it was a good choice to add the Q1R on.
You probably havenât used other good quick releases like HRS Xero Play or Buchfink Q1R.
SC2 QR is good but has certain shortcoming comparing to those:
- Big heavy chunk of metal that gets bolted to wheel, spacer with wheel mount
- Inability to bolt extension to base, you can only have it on wheel side, unless sandwiching two QRs together (ugly)
- Pin based lock/unlock making it the slowest âquickâ release on the market, plus it gets stuck after some use. Also my personal concern is having sticking part on rotating shaft that can catch on cable or cause some injury.
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Yea I have Q1R releases too actually⌠but for me personally I havenât had a need yet to change out the SC2 one.
pull the pin and spin the wheel upside down⌠tiny tap with the base of your palm on the back of the rim and it pops straight off⌠new wheel on in seconds. Just as quick as the Q1 for me which you have to be more precise to line up⌠Its not like im trying to do a 1.9s F1 pit stop when changing my rims anyway⌠lol
Hardly a big weight⌠the entire release is only 200g heavier than the Xero Play and the mass is right on the shaft so im sure different rims will make 10x more difference in regard to weight than a QR
But yea, some people completely hate the pin for some reason so thatâs fine to change it out if you feel you get value out of it. or maybe its just because of the two rim I use? (Ascher F28 and Cube GT Pro) Other rims there might be a really good reason to change out.
But at the end of the day the default release is perfect fit for purpose, The xero play is an awesome over engineered solution though for sure⌠and sim racers in general LOVE over engineered gear so it will still sell like hot cakes regardless.
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Yes, you are correct in everything you wrote, many problems with software, drivers and firmwares.
I was a DD2 user and today I have SC2 Ultimate.
Extremely happy for the exchange, infinitely better.
Fanatec never again !!!
There is an extension available actually, see here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkDJMCf_cXA
called âSimCore UH1-55 Simucube 2 Motor Extensionâ