Mika, there is not much room for speculations about the Asetek deal. Based on the company size Asetek had to make an official statement on how much they paid and how they paid. What we don’t know is with what the IP basket was filled with. But this is something I absolutely don’t care about in any way. IP selling won’t take something from you. It’s paid sharing.
Simhub: I use Simhub only to make LEDs profiles, to flash the wheel with Nextion templates made for a car. All my wheels will come with Vocore displays. I think it’s open source. Arduino can be activated and used without problems. I don’t buy this explanation.
Without a display I can’t change brake BIAS on the track, can’t adjust harvesting and delivering ERS, can’t increase decrease delivery of it. Without a clutch I have to use atoclutch. All things I am totally used to and appreciate, except autocluch of course… No immediate lap time, no information about being ahead or behind, no leaderboard. I might can do it with apps, but that means windowed mode or borderless mode.
I don’t think I would buy your pedals while on the same time you can’t develope a wheel with display and manual clutches.
I also think that when the power will go through the quick release people will use the QR we actually have. Because it won’t be possible for companies like Gomez to change the whole electronic and electric so fast. And I doubt very much they will and want to do it.
Sending all signals and power through the QR must be very difficult, will bring a lot of trouble and malfunction. Why would you choose a solution so complicated, where there is so little room, constant connection on and off changes, and all this in the most important connection, a connection rotation/moving under heavy torque and massive torque changes. I’m not an engineer. But to me it looks, from the technical side, very strange. This solution is imo based only on q fact. The QR is the easiest part to make products depending. Honestly, it’s a bad decision, one based on steady growth. Always more of more
i imagine you are referring to the fact powered QR’s require pins and thats a potential point of failure right?
i agree, anything that can break with use is a potential point of failure, fanatec has had its fair share of broken pins but it is the only manufacturer i know of that has, likely because fanatec pins are not sprung which is a recipe for disaster, if they do not line up right for any reason they will break.
i dont know if that was the reason i liked the SQR, i always thought the disadvantage of the SQR was a lack of power delivery but it was worth the sacrifice for the rigidity, it blows the fanatec QR out of the water when it comes to rigidity and quality without a doubt, the reason the asetek base QR excites me personally is because they took the SQR design and added power so theoretically speaking, all the rigidity with none of the downsides.
It’s a total bullshit to do it this way. The QR is the easiest way to make products depending on each other. From the technical side it’s a nightmare: rotation, heavy torque, massive torque changes, very little space, constant wheel changes…why would someone choose this way to send and receive data and power… and I can’t imagine that companies like Gomez will change all designs, wiring, power solution and more, only to get access to some DDs. This will drive the best steering wheel companies away from DD manufacturers with this solution. Granite doesn’t have a single wheel with display and hand clutch. Sorry, one: a Gomez wheel, where the only part Granite most likely contributed was the colour of the name, or the plate the name is written
‘‘why would someone choose this way to send and receive data and power…’’
i dont really understand why you would say this, most other wheelbase on the market is designed this way… so it cant be that hard to do since they all achieve it quite well with not many issues if any at this point besides fanatec and its rigid pins, moza, simagic, fanatec, logitech, thrustmaster, asetek. Having power through the QR is basically the standard today.
As for wheel manufacturers needing to change designs and such, thats not the case, they just need to offer the Asetek QR as an option which they have no agreed will be the case and its simply a case of does their wired wheels support the same standards as what is onboard the Asetek wheelbases in order to work through the QR not needing a wire… as i understand it they have achieved this with the manufacturers they have announced will be supported.
Yes, thats a weak point, but the cable routing through the motor shaft is the more concerning point to me, or the other method using slip rings, weak points in a critical component? Not on my SC2
Edit: after more than 3 years with the Sport, only weak point I can think of is the rocker switch on the back to power on/off the motor (rev.1)
All the LEDs, inputs, buttons with backlight have to be powered through a powered USB hub. This is at least what VPG strongly recommend. And this with LEDs set to 50 percent brightness. They are still extremely bright, but the amount of power needed, will it be possible to deliver this with… what? And if the solution with the QR finally has a cable too, c’mon. I see in all cars at DTM/German masters (you know what I talk about) a wired steering wheel. If these guys use it in these cars, it must have a good reason
Companies are sending data and power through the quick release??? Who?
i think that would be a case of worrying about nothing… it would be like worrying about how many times you can plug the wire in the back of the simucube before it fails… we know its a limited amount of times right but it does not become a concern until the issues happens… there are always weak points with any hardware but they should not be a concern until they actually become a concern… nobody was worried about fanatec pins until they suddenly started breaking and then it becomes a concern. ive seen isolated incidents where the bolts have became loose within motors in the simucube right here on this forum but its just not a concern, isolated incidents. I think you are making a critical mistake if you think the simucube 2 is invincible and can never fail ever at any point, the crucial part is you should not worry about something unless it becomes a common issue and i think you are pointing out potential points of failure on other bases that have never actually failed.
i dont think anybody has ever had an issue with cable routing through the motor shaft, most manufacturers use that method and ive never seen a report of an issue because the cables have no point of failure, there is nothing for the cable to get caught on so its just not an issue.
‘‘Companies are sending data and power through the quick release??? Who?’’
you are joking right? you know a computer USB can only deliver 5v at 0.5A which is around 2.5w at best… that is why VPG strongly recommend powered usb hubs… This is not the case with wheelbases which are obviously not limited to 5v.
Time will tell!
Just in case, my major selling point choosing the Sport over the Pro was the single VS double PSU, i was not wrong searching a hassle free product. About the rocker switch, I use it 2 to 4 times every day since the purchase and im not worry at all, it is an item that I can repair if anything happens
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Thats what im saying bro, time will tell, some things may fail and some may not, we shouldn’t worry about issues that have never happened yet, we all know nothing is invincible, even simucube products. maybe you purchased the simucube 2 sport a while ago but the pro has used a single PSU for a while now.
Yeah, mine is a first batch unit, the non wireless antenna version, and at the time I did a good resesach on durability and service, it was a big amount of money for me at that time.
Then Fanatec and its QRs gaps, usb disconections on the smaller DDs, now Asetek with quality control issues, yeah they tested its QR for 200 trillion of uses, but then the final QR is not that resilent
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i cant honestly comment on the Asetek QR quality just yet… i like what i see but i cant comment on the quality… from my understanding i believe it works just the same way as the simucube QR with a different method for holding the wheel on the base, pin vs latch… i believe the problem is the spring closing the latch is not strong enough so with great force you can pop the latch off… i think thats not a major issue and an easy fix, one i believe Asetek will have done before i receive my wheelbase anyway. its no different than some simucubes having bluetooth connection issues with no antenna and then granite fixing it with the antenna, if it fixes the problem then its not a problem anymore right, im not going to say the Asetek QR is not resilient because i dont think that is the case since it is essentially the same design as the SQR and so tolerances should be just as tight.
What I’m saying is: how will the QR from Asetek deliver power to a Gomez or VPG wheel without forcing them to start from scratch? How will they achieve it when none of their wheels comes with an integrated display yet, afaik? They can’t take it from USB. Will they take power from the DD, sending it through the QR to a Gomez wheel, which then uses a Asetek wheel side QR that won’t have the same wiring, functions ammo of the Gomez wheel? The actual, new QR from Asetek: did they made the layout and structure of power and data so that it will fully work with these wheels?
Thats the point, tolerances.
I see a big gap between wheelside and baseside on Asetek QRs, can see it in the videos!
Just the marketing behind the QR from Asetek was a joke, with the base not attached to any rig at all and they showing how good it is.
But a bad manufacturer process can lead to tolerances not reached, namely chinesse factory on a rush or whatever…
AliExpress generic QRs cames to my mind
My wheels are only mechanically connected with the Simucube. They don’t receive power from it, nor data. The only connection is the QR. So they can design, build, use whatever they want. The best they are capable of. If this changes and coming from the DD company, this will totally limit them
Asetek has a wheel with display ready and in production, the one we have seen is the forte wheel which is their mid range offering, they have a invicta wheel ready which has a display.
‘‘Will they take power from the DD, sending it through the QR to a Gomez wheel, which then uses a Asetek wheel side QR that won’t have the same wiring, functions ammo of the Gomez wheel? The actual, new QR from Asetek: did they made the layout and structure of power and data so that it will fully work with these wheels?’’
That is exactly correct yes, that is their intention, the wheelbase will send the power and data through the QR to third party wheels like gomez and VPG… they have confirmed this is how it will work… thats why its so amazing, its an industry first 
, its literally never been done before thats why its a big feature.
the current wheel manufacturers that are onboard are gomez, VPG, simcore, bavarian sim tech, ascher and cube controls… maybe more im not sure but these are the ones onboard and that will work properly (screens, LED’s, everything) through the Asetek QR.
You can make an USB extension with just 4 pins.
Cut the USB cable that comes with any Gomez steering wheel and Connect those 4 cables to the QR pins, let the USB info pass to the PC and done
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i think you are mistaken about the Asetek QR and there being a big gap… i think i know exactly what gap you are talking about and the simucube QR has the same gap. i believe you are on about one of these gaps that are not actually gaps at all right, the Asetek QR fits the exact same way.
feel free to show me an image of any different gap im not aware of.
i know lawrence dusoswa had an issue with the QR where there was a potential gap but it was a one off.
Don’t take it personal!! I speak Swiss German, not English. I will use phrases and words you understand correctly, while I tried to say something close, but not close or good enough.
So please help me:
I assume that VPG has its way to power their wheels. Maybe they use 4 cables for a job
Their rotaries, the way everything is coded, the layout of input output commands, that they create LEDs profiles in Simhub, that they update firmware through Simhub
Will a QR from Asetek meet these standards?
