I don’t know why you think I am upset as I am far from such… My intention was to explain the possible roadblocks in place for companies (in this case Granite) to actually implement screens using 3rd party software and the caveats that they can succumb to without their knowledge if they don’t fully research things (which also is more comment than not in emerging markets). I am guessing that Granite has done their du diligence and hence delaying things like a screened wheel as of course there is nothing really stopping Granite from producing a wired USB wheel either…
In their hardware design they do lack the ability to transfer power through the hub which is also a limitation they have. However, Asetek no longer seems to have this limitation which should if they create a hub that is widely available and not to just wheel manufacturers and has Pass through USB will allow any users to connect ANY USB based wheel through the hub…
Granted in most cases Asetek, even if they have that ability is NOT going to connect others wheels to their system in advertising or even promote that it really can be done as it is their intension to make money for themselves so they will use their developed wheels.
BTW Buttons, Rotaries, Clutches, any of the Tactile items of a wheel are carried through the USB HID interface which is common to ALL input devices. LED’s and screens are USUALLY run through some sort of serial protocol. Button illumination changes would also be done through Serial commands but could be done completely from the wheel firmware as well.
BTW, I never said VPG was Stealing code, I said there is the possibility that they are inadvertently using Open Source code that could open up their IP unexpectedly. Since you were defending the privacy of their IP and why would they give up all of that to use a proprietary interface, which I responded, probably more technically than needed, that they may already have inadvertently due to GPL…
But going back to the Asetek hub, if is USB Pass through, then VPG using an Asetek QR would not be giving up anything as it is the same method of connection as standard USB.
This really way above my technical knowledge, my knowledge about licenses, my English skills.
All I know is that Asetek was running one of their DD with the Stealth wheel from VPG. I don’t know what QR they used then (late 22, somewhere in Germany). If it was the actual QR, which is delivering power, then I am surprised that this has worked out of the box. VPG strongly recommend to use powered USB hubs. If Asetek is able to deliver the power needed through mainboard, that would be, again, a surprise. The Stealth has no display, but a lot of light effects used as information Aso
About coding/firmware and licensing: VPG wheels real strengths are their perfect weight balance, materials used, shape, weight and reliability.
If Asetek is sending power through the Wheel hub in a USB pass through I can almost guarantee that it is powered since they include the USC-C hub in their devices. This pass through would just be a connection directly to the internal hub.
What we don’t know is, as you said, were they actually running it wired, Did THEY re-wire it to work with their Hub (ie take it apart and rewire the DIN to their hub), OR did they have a hub adaptor that they just plugged the wheel into… The third option would be a really nice option to have for those that want to use other brands but not have to worry about wired being tangled or having to by a wheel that is specifically wired for a certain wheelbase.
I will say though that without the screen that direct power source might not be needed. LED’s unless there are a large number can be done to not draw too much power and they could actually be run off of a battery that would have to be recharged more often… a screen however you would run into power issues unless you wanted to charge it after every run (which would be annoying)… with a decent number of LED’s (enough for basic lighting and an RPM Bar a smallish battery could probably go a month or so with careful power management.
Why Asetek SimSports opened its quick release ecosystem
In September, the CEO of Asetek SimSports discussed with Traxion.GG the potential for its newly designed steering wheel quick release system to be open to other manufacturers.
“We are in the process of, for this particular quick release, offering it for sale to other steering wheel manufacturers.” explained André Eriksen on a podcast episode three months ago.
Cube Controls Asetek SimSports quick release
Fast forward a matter of weeks and at the ADAC SimRacing Expo in Germany, the vision has turned into reality. Seven wheel purveyors all had demo units featuring the fledgling Danish upstart’s quick release system.
It would be nice if it were open to Users as well though which at the moment it does not look like is happening… So a user wouldn’t Have to purchase a wheel from one of those 7 manufacturers or others that should come along… Allowing people to hook up other custom wheels form other manufacturers, Use their existing USB based wheel, or even create their own but still get the benefit of gathering the power and data distribution through the wheel… Sort of like SimExperience did with the Accuforce originally but then had issues.
OK after actually READING that article it does say they are going to do a USB version … which will be very nice and how it should be done… They just don’t have it out yet so HOPEFULLY they actually do end up releasing it (at a reasonable cost to consumers) and enough people decide to get it so that they keep it around.
Well, it’s more a positive surprise, rather than something one should critizice. Allmost all, if not all other DD manufacturers (except Granite) working with “my DD goes only with my wheel/pedal/shifter/handbrake” customer lock in system.
It’s imo an absolutely positive, strong sign from Asetek. I didn’t expect them to do this, and I absolutely pay respect to them
For me, Asetek is a pretty good company that primarily wants to push the hobby of sim racing. Other companies enter the market and only want to sell their products through vendor locks.
I have a SC2 pro , and for somes games, Asseto Competizione or rFactor 2, I prefer the slew rate at 1.0 and 0.5.,
Is it bad ? and finally for the both games, a Simucube 2 sport shoud be the same if I use a low slew rate value.
At the end, what matters is how you like it, if it feels tight for you, run it there. Many years ago, I tested SC2 against many other DD wheels, I also owned 2x SS2 54G Bodnar’s.
Adjusting slew on the SC2 Ultimate down to between 0.1 and 0.2, was a good emulation of the feel from available from the SS2.
So if 0.5-1.0 is the type of feel you prefer, go for it, the SC2 wheels allows you to basically emulate almost any wheel on the market, if that’s what you’re after, set it the way you like it and have fun.
